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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 98
Background Pony #BAD9
Thank you for the update. Here’s what I think of the new rules:
@Admin
@Admin
- “Style copying” only affects when the style is mimicked perfectly, so much so that an average person would confuse the image with being an original from the artist. This is to prevent impersonation or affecting an artist’s reputation (for example, people pretending they’re the artist to take commissions as them, or creating images of a controversial nature to create fake drama).
This is a good way to approach this. It reminds me when almost everyone using Stable Diffusion would type “Greg Rutkowski” in the prompt. Not because they were trying to impersonate him or even “steal” his style, bus simply because his paintings tend to focus on medieval fantasy themes and have a “painterly” aesthetic, so using his name in the prompt would enhance AI images aiming for those kinds of things. But the results still didn’t look anything like a real Greg Rutkowski paining, nor was it what those AI users were trying to do.
Some artists tend to focus on certain themes and styles, and as a result prompts and LoRAs targeting those types of content will inevitably draw more heavily from one or two of these artists without the outputs necessarly matching said artist’s unique style.
I am fairly sure that many AI images on Derpibooru may have used some of those “forbidden LoRAs” and got away with it by covering their tracks and scrubbing any metadata that would have them banned, and those images stayed up because nobody noticed or cared since they didn’t appear deceitful and their uploader never pretended to be someone else.
This new version of the rule encourages people to be more honest and transparent about their processes while focusing enforcement on the bad actors, which is something I am all for.
Some artists tend to focus on certain themes and styles, and as a result prompts and LoRAs targeting those types of content will inevitably draw more heavily from one or two of these artists without the outputs necessarly matching said artist’s unique style.
I am fairly sure that many AI images on Derpibooru may have used some of those “forbidden LoRAs” and got away with it by covering their tracks and scrubbing any metadata that would have them banned, and those images stayed up because nobody noticed or cared since they didn’t appear deceitful and their uploader never pretended to be someone else.
This new version of the rule encourages people to be more honest and transparent about their processes while focusing enforcement on the bad actors, which is something I am all for.
- Reminder that tagging is important; if you can prompt, then you can tag.
This touches on the same point. Models like ponyDiffusion and NovelAI heavily rely on tagging for their prompts, so people using them should already have most of the tags by the time they upload.
In the longer term it would be better to have a way to integrate prompts, model(s) used and LoRAs directly alongside the image and tags, maybe even with download links to the relevant tools. From my experience with the wider AI community, the sharing aspect that encourages the viewer to get involved and experiment with the tools themselves is very prevalent, so Tantabus should adapt its feature set to the unique aspects of AI similar to how Derpibooru provides features that cater to human artists’ needs.
Obviously, this would require quite a bit of development, so I understand if it is not in this website’s short-term roadmap, but this is definitely worth considering.
Until then at least, the tagging standards should be strong enough to act as a working substitute.
In the longer term it would be better to have a way to integrate prompts, model(s) used and LoRAs directly alongside the image and tags, maybe even with download links to the relevant tools. From my experience with the wider AI community, the sharing aspect that encourages the viewer to get involved and experiment with the tools themselves is very prevalent, so Tantabus should adapt its feature set to the unique aspects of AI similar to how Derpibooru provides features that cater to human artists’ needs.
Obviously, this would require quite a bit of development, so I understand if it is not in this website’s short-term roadmap, but this is definitely worth considering.
Until then at least, the tagging standards should be strong enough to act as a working substitute.
- Non-AI images can be uploaded, but these should have some relation to AI (tutorials, sketches, speedpaints, etc.)
Good. This can be important if we want Tantabus to feel more like a community intead of just being a contextless image dump.
- Quality checks simplified significantly
- Initial rules and quality checklist was based off derpi’s requirements for AI Composition
- These do not apply here; generations are allowed to have faults so long as they’re not just “trash”
- Multiple examples removed, language made clearer to new intent, “acceptable” examples removed to avoid clutter
- Simple rule of thumb: If it looks like a 2022-2023 Craiyon image from the thumbnail, it’s probably going to get deleted
This is the part I was concerned the most about. In their initial draft, the rules seemed too limiting. I can understand why they were like that on Derpibooru with non-AI artists uploading more slowly and risking being drowned-out by even moderately competent AI users. But here, since this is going to be more of a niche-specific booru, it didn’t make as much sense and only risked driving away interested creators (not to mention that the rules being so strict were likely one of the reasons why the derpi team got overwhelmed moderating AI content alongside all the other stuff going on).
I am glad that the updated rules give more room for different skill levels of AI content while stil addressing the zero-effort slop.
I am also glad that “ai generated” and “ai composition” got their own distinct guidelines to help better understand what these tags are expected to mean, as well as examples to help novice users know how to improve their generations.
While “ai composition” is still allowed on Derpibooru (for now), we should really encourage people to post them here as they tend to have some of the most interesting uses for AI and Tantabus would really benefit from their presence, both to raise the overall quality of the website and to encourage members to expand their artistic skills to other tools alongside AI.
I am glad that the updated rules give more room for different skill levels of AI content while stil addressing the zero-effort slop.
I am also glad that “ai generated” and “ai composition” got their own distinct guidelines to help better understand what these tags are expected to mean, as well as examples to help novice users know how to improve their generations.
While “ai composition” is still allowed on Derpibooru (for now), we should really encourage people to post them here as they tend to have some of the most interesting uses for AI and Tantabus would really benefit from their presence, both to raise the overall quality of the website and to encourage members to expand their artistic skills to other tools alongside AI.
This site is still a WiP, and we appreciate any feedback you have.
I’ll be honest, when the announcement was first made, I was really worried. The way the policy update was just dropped on us with poor communication and handled terribly by the Derpibooru admins (handing out month-long bans to anyone voicing reservations while letting others flood the announcement thread with messages like “Yeah! good riddance AI “”“art””” bros be gone!”) made me convinced that this website was just gonna be a quarantined ghetto with no effort put into managing it just to keep AI content away while they ban it from derpi, only to abandon it when it dies from the unmanaged flood of slop.
It’s refreshing to see the staff here having more open communications and discussions about AI content and policies compared to how it was on Derpibooru.
Now, I hope we can make the most of this opportunity.
It’s refreshing to see the staff here having more open communications and discussions about AI content and policies compared to how it was on Derpibooru.
Now, I hope we can make the most of this opportunity.
Only two things I am still worried about:
- Older images losing their comments. There are plenty of valuable contents in there in there, in the form of both discussions/stories related to the images themselves and conversations about AI technologies and evolutions being visible in said images. If these images are to be deleted from Derpibooru, I really, REALLY insist that their comments ought to be preserved in some way.
- Funding. I know you said this would be taken care of, but I would like to know more about how the money side of things is expected to be managed (is it grouped with Derpibooru/Furbooru or independent? What do the projected numbers look like?).
Site and Policy » Featured Image » Post 1
Adorable Blue Fox
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Well, I’m okay with the featured image staying stuck on my image right now :3, but I suppose I’ll gracefully allow it to be changed.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 97
IWTCIPP
I don’t think tagging would work. Uploaders probably haven’t been able to notice these issues in their pictures it their first place and I don’t think other users would be able or willing to do the job for them.
If the uploaders aren’t able to notice the issues, then they’ll upload their images even if they’re rule-breaking. If people aren’t willing to tag the problems, I’d assume they’re also not willing to report them. So then what’s going to happen to those images?
At least if tagging is the solution it can be implemented without putting a huge burden on the moderators.
I’m also wondering if it would be useful to have a rate limit for new users. E.g. limit users to one upload per day for their first month.
Site and Policy » Featured Image » Topic Opener
tyto4tme4l
Something of an artist
How does the Featured Image work here? Who chooses it? What are the criteria? How often does the image change?
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 96
tyto4tme4l
Something of an artist
@Admin
Thank you for the rules update, it looks more reasonable now.
As for the quality checks, it looks fair to me now, assuming these issues without skulls won’t be deleted most of the time.
Thank you for the rules update, it looks more reasonable now.
As for the quality checks, it looks fair to me now, assuming these issues without skulls won’t be deleted most of the time.
@IWTCIPP
I don’t think tagging would work. Uploaders probably haven’t been able to notice these issues in their pictures it their first place and I don’t think other users would be able or willing to do the job for them.
I don’t think tagging would work. Uploaders probably haven’t been able to notice these issues in their pictures it their first place and I don’t think other users would be able or willing to do the job for them.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 95
IWTCIPP
@Admin
This is an improvement, but the quality rule is still too vague for my liking, and I believe it to be at least mostly unnecessary:
This is an improvement, but the quality rule is still too vague for my liking, and I believe it to be at least mostly unnecessary:
If something has six fingers, tag it. If something has a “ghost” signature, tag it. Repeat for other issues. Then people who don’t want to see those things can filter them out. Why wouldn’t that work? You can even stress the importance of quality-related tags in the rules, and provide a global filter with the common ones.
Spam needs to be dealt with independently of quality - if a seasoned creator discovers Tantabus, we don’t want them burying everyone else’s images under 200 uploads, even if everything they upload is great.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 94
Background Pony #BF58
@BigBuggyBastage
“without obtaining proper permission” is already in the rules. In that case you have permission.
“without obtaining proper permission” is already in the rules. In that case you have permission.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 93
BigBuggyBastage
Go fsck yourself
@Admin
Regarding the “style copying” rule, let’s say there’s an artist who wanted their original art to be used in machine-learning/-training, and models based upon it were then used to create new images. I realize these would be exceptionally rare, but would they not also then be somewhat exempt from this rule?
Regarding the “style copying” rule, let’s say there’s an artist who wanted their original art to be used in machine-learning/-training, and models based upon it were then used to create new images. I realize these would be exceptionally rare, but would they not also then be somewhat exempt from this rule?
I know the intention of the rule, and it’s correct that we certainly wouldn’t want to tarnish any artist’s reputation. But I’m also aware of artists who are embracing the new technology (or at least trying to), to see where it can take them, and I’d hate for US to miss out on seeing where they’re going.
Quick thing about quality checks: can we still prohibit images where the anthros have six (or more) fingers on each hand? Boy oh boy, am I sick of seeing that silly little quirk.
Site and Policy » Maximum Spoilers filter » Post 5
Background Pony #8A7F
@World-Builder
The spoiler images should be AI generated as well, fitting the theme.
The spoiler images should be AI generated as well, fitting the theme.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 92
AIPonyAnon
@Admin
Unrelated, but I was trying to figure out how to insert horizontal lines in posts and just figured out that
Unrelated, but I was trying to figure out how to insert horizontal lines in posts and just figured out that
--- and ___ are how you do it. As far as I can tell, this isn’t documented in the detailed syntax guide or in the syntax quick reference.---:___:Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 91
Admin
Administrator
We’ve made a few changes to the rules based on feedback and internal discussion. Note that these aren’t “clarifications” to make the text clearer, but changes to intent that will also affect moderation.
We’ve also updated the “AI Quality” page to simplify it and clean up the language.
The tl;dr on the changes are:
- “Style copying” only affects when the style is mimicked perfectly, so much so that an average person would confuse the image with being an original from the artist. This is to prevent impersonation or affecting an artist’s reputation (for example, people pretending they’re the artist to take commissions as them, or creating images of a controversial nature to create fake drama).
- Reminder that tagging is important; if you can prompt, then you can tag.
- Non-AI images can be uploaded, but these should have some relation to AI (tutorials, sketches, speedpaints, etc.)
- Quality checks simplified significantly
- Initial rules and quality checklist was based off derpi’s requirements for AI Composition
- These do not apply here; generations are allowed to have faults so long as they’re not just “trash”
- Multiple examples removed, language made clearer to new intent, “acceptable” examples removed to avoid clutter
- Simple rule of thumb: If it looks like a 2022-2023 Craiyon image from the thumbnail, it’s probably going to get deleted
This site is still a WiP, and we appreciate any feedback you have.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 89
Admin
Administrator
@Background Pony #89EC
One of our registration related services was down for a while, but should be back and working again (tested now to be sure). It’s possible Privacy Badger isn’t liking reCaptcha, but that’d be odd as it’s a fairly popular thing… That or the browser is out of date and reCaptcha fails it, I’m not sure.
One of our registration related services was down for a while, but should be back and working again (tested now to be sure). It’s possible Privacy Badger isn’t liking reCaptcha, but that’d be odd as it’s a fairly popular thing… That or the browser is out of date and reCaptcha fails it, I’m not sure.
@Background Pony #7E45
We’ll import images slowly over the next few days to not flood out other uploads.
We’ll import images slowly over the next few days to not flood out other uploads.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 88
Background Pony #7E45
So, upload of AI images on Derpibooru is disabled now, but there’s a plenty of images uploaded since December 7 and some of them are missing on Tantabus. Will there be another sync of all uploads over the past week?
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 87
Background Pony #89EC
Android on tablet, using Firefox. I’ve got Privacy Badger and uBlock Origin.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 86
Admin
Administrator
@Zerowinger
@Bendy and Boney
Yeah, we’re aware; there’s a lot of stuff baked into philomena, some stuff was missed. Will be changed soon, sorry for the confusion.
@Bendy and Boney
Yeah, we’re aware; there’s a lot of stuff baked into philomena, some stuff was missed. Will be changed soon, sorry for the confusion.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 84
Annalee
Moderator
Adjutant
@Zerowinger
thanks I asked the admins to fix that. dnps legit aren’t a thing here.
thanks I asked the admins to fix that. dnps legit aren’t a thing here.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 83
Zerowinger
3-3/4" Army Man Fan
@Annalee
Go to the upload page, you’ll see the top box that instructs you to read the site rules and check the do-not-post list, same as it is on Derpibooru. Link to the site rules works but link to the DNP list does not.
Go to the upload page, you’ll see the top box that instructs you to read the site rules and check the do-not-post list, same as it is on Derpibooru. Link to the site rules works but link to the DNP list does not.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 82
Annalee
Moderator
Adjutant
The DNP list is also currently missing
Lowkey feels like a ‘do not post’ list doesn’t vibe with this site. Having one kinda gives ‘we’ll do takedowns’ energy, and honestly, no one should be uploading artists’ work here anyway.
I legit can’t find the link you’re clicking. Can you show me where you’re seeing it?
Ohhh, the new image upload page—got it. Thanks for pointing that out! I’ll check if we can get that removed.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 81
Zerowinger
3-3/4" Army Man Fan
@Background Pony #A9C9
The DNP list is also currently missing - clicking on it takes you to the main page with the message “Couldn’t find what you were looking for!”
The DNP list is also currently missing - clicking on it takes you to the main page with the message “Couldn’t find what you were looking for!”
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 80
Background Pony #A9C9
Image upload page says:
Read the site rules and check our do-not-post listDon’t post content the artist doesn’t want here (or shared in general), including commercial content.
I guess “creator”, not artist. If DNP is even a thing here, that is. Copyright doesn’t apply to generated images (good), but it could apply to stuff like ai composition, which is more creative.
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 79
Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 78
Background Pony #DCD6
For some reason, the site’s svg favicon appears to be the derpi one. The ico one is correct.
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