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Tagging Discussion » "Generator:" tags should not imply "ai generated" » Topic Opener

tyto4tme4l

Something of an artist
Since “ai composition” is a thing now, tags like “generator:zoinksnoob” should not imply “ai generated” IMO.
Tag group
BTW: I feel like this “generator” term is pretty vague, I would prefer something like “model” or “checkpoint” instead.
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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 9

LemonDrop

I agree, creating art makes you an artist, and the act of guiding an AI to refine an image into something that matches your vision is the same creative process to any other artform.
Just because it’s “easy” to prompt things by comparison to the tedium of drawn digital art does not mean you’re not an artist, and saying otherwise is just a narrative the anti-AI crowd has spun to diminish people’s work and disrespect the AI artists. It’d be like saying digital artists aren’t artists because it’s a far easier process than that of traditional artwork on canvas with oil paints (no undo, no layering, no fancy effects or infinite brush shapes). This is especially true for more involved AI artwork where inpainting and other touchups are done in post via Photoshop or whatever, it’s hardly solely just “prompting” in that instance.
Course I can somewhat understand concerns over tagging confusion and etc, and to be fair also other areas of art have their own terms, e.g. photographer, cinematographer, game developer, but they all are under the “artist” umbrella if you want a general term. No (non-disparaging) specific term really exists for those who leverage AI heavily yet given it’s such a new medium other than like “AI artist” which specifies the medium a bit more specifically similar to “traditional artist” or “digital artist”, but these are just simplified just to “artist” in terms of tagging on Derpi at least.
“Creator” may be a fair compromise but I still feel like it’s a bit silly to downplay the artistry involved. As the OP said, this is an AI-specific site, so while a blind import of tags may be a bit confusing, in practice one would understand that the “artist” term on this site is contextually referring to AI artists specifically and transform the tags if needed to whatever convention exists on other sites (e.g. if importing from here to Derpi one would replace artist: with prompter: and add ai content or whatever as in theory that tag wouldn’t be needed here).
All that considered I think I still lean more towards “artist” than “creator”, but either is better than “prompter” which might as well be an insult in a place like this.

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Lord Waite

@tyto4tme4l
Yeah, I’d read how to prompt Illustrious, and if it’s based on that, I’d expect it to use more danbooru tag style prompting. As awful as that picture I posted was, the prompt was:
perfect quality, best quality, absolutely eye-catching, ambient occlusion, raytracing, masterpiece, fluttershy, pegasus pony, my little pony, sitting in a meadow, masterpiece, safe, furry, yellow fur, fur tufts, god rays, dynamic pose, detailed background, full body, 
Negative: lowres, worst quality, bad quality, bad anatomy, sketch, jpeg artifacts, signature, watermark, artist name, old, oldest
Mostly me throwing in things from this article, admittedly:
https://civitai.com/articles/8380/tips-for-illustrious-xl-prompting-updates
In fact, I just ran the same prompt through ZoinksNoob, and it generated some fairly nice looking Fluttershy pictures.
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Admin

Administrator
@IWTCIPP
That habit is mostly born from volume and the amount of followup (and some harassment) that resulted in the past. Hopefully not an issue here but there likely won’t PMs sent for every image deleted. Perhaps a feature in the future could make things smoother or more automated, but I don’t know yet.
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IWTCIPP

@Admin
Sounds fair to me.
One more thing - Derpi mods seemed to have a nasty habit of deleting images without telling the uploader. Will that happen here?
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 70

Admin

Administrator
@IWTCIPP
Yes.
…though ideally images are cleaned up before first upload, and if not the cleaning and reupload is by the original uploader and not staff…
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Zerowinger

3-3/4" Army Man Fan
@🐴
I don’t know about Furbooru, never checked it out, but I will say that Ponybooru seems to be kind of languishing. There’s some activity on the forums, but in terms of participants and uploaders it seems small (probably partially due to the majority of uploads being done by an importer bot).
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Admin

Administrator
@BigBuggyBastage
There’s still a possibility (but not a promise) that comments will get copied over; stating that so no one spends a week of their time working on it and feeling it was wasted time.
@IWTCIPP
@Zerowinger
I ran a quick clean and reuploaded/merged.
I plan to set up a post (and announcement) for how to do this easily (at least my method), just… not today.
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Mystic_Taurus13

@mp40
I heard that Illustrious XL is what ponyv7 is going to be on is that true?
Also shoutou5 to autismmix/confetti and pinkiepiemix
Pony 7 is in training right now using Aura Flow.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 65

BigBuggyBastage

Go fsck yourself
@Admin
@Zerowinger
There won’t be an automatic import of those as the script doesn’t like dupes, but I’ll manually import the ones that are missing when it happens.
Bless you.
@Background Pony #07EC
I’d only gotten as far as saving a copy of an image if I don’t already have it. But your idea of saving comments is interesting; if I got that to work, saving tags as well should be trivial. That might bring up questions about using Derpibooru database dumps as a tag source, but let’s cross that bridge later.
My area of experience is embedded systems, so C/C++, assembly, and Python (if I’m feeling REALLY ambitious) are my comfy languages, though I’ll dabble in Perl and PHP if I have to – such is the life of a LAMP stack user. I use Arch, BTW. 😉 My “head script” was mostly in Bash 🙄, so I bet your JS would beat the socks off of it.
Regarding compatibility, the only issue I’ve ever read about on Derpibooru had to do with rate limiting, or lack thereof, by a user script. I think it might even be mentioned in the API documentation (just checked, it is, right near the top under Licensing), but it’s also common sense that you don’t want to hammer their server with requests at an audible frequency. 🤣 As long as it can finish in a “reasonable” amount of time, and it’s grabbing data at a “reasonable” rate, I don’t think anyone will have a problem.
There are currently 33,835 images with the ai generated tag on Derpibooru. There are 27 days left until those image pages, and whatever is uploaded over the next four days, are deleted. 27 days == 38,880 minutes, so theoretically, one request per minute would do the job, IFF one were to grab just the image file. At least we’re not in a rush. :)
EDIT: Here’s a thread on Derpibooru discussing custom user scripts: https://derpibooru.org/forums/meta/topics/userscripts-customization

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Background Pony #9ED6
Misc. issues with various site info pages:
  • Site rules #6 and #8 - bullet points are inline, not actual formatted bullet points
  • Rules in the report reason dropdown menu don’t match the site rules
  • Email link near the bottom of the Privacy Policy is misspelled, “ops@yantabus.ai” (the actual mailto: href is spelled correctly, though)
  • About Uploading should probably give “prompter:” as an example instead of “artist:”
  • On Takedown Requests, both “Rules” links are broken, linking to /rules when they should link to /pages/rules
  • FAQ page:
    • The various sections that explain Rule #9 questions about quality and artifacts could be improved by linking to the relevant sections of the AI Quality Guidelines
    • Under “I found two tags that mean the same thing, what should I do?”, it says to contact staff about it - is that really what you want, or should it instead say to bring it up in the tagging forum? (BTW, it also presently has the misspelled word “conact” instead of “contact”)
    • Under “Who can edit tags and the source URL on an image?” it says, “Any non-banned registered user can.” However, unregistered users presently can edit tags after solving a captcha. Issue in the FAQ or issue in the site configuration?
    • The link in the answer to “How do I rename my account?” is broken, pointing to /registration/edit when it should point to /settings/edit
  • On the API page:
    • The link in “You can find your authentication token in your account settings.” also is broken, pointing to /registration/edit when it should point to /settings/edit
    • The link in “The interested reader may find the implementations of these endpoints here.” points to Derpibooru’s Github, when it should point to Tantabus’ Github.
    • The example JSON in the section “Posting Images” could be redone using an example from Tantabus instead of Derpibooru.
    • Under “Oembed Responses”, provider_name and provider_url should list Tantabus info, not Derpibooru.
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