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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 38

Zealousmagician

@Clopxie
The mere act of selection based on criteria, of critique, is itself an art. If you generate many images and select a few because they are appealing to you in some way or inspire you, then when you share that, those images become a reflection of your judgement, of your personality- you have assigned them artistic value. Unless you are to say that they already had artistic value and that the machine is the artist, you must be the artist in this scenario because the only artistic meaning held in those images comes from you personally. An example of what exactly can qualify as art can be seen in the famous Duchamp’s Fountain and other readymades.
In your hypothetical, you aren’t an artist until you’ve applied judgement to the image generated and decided on if you now find it to have value.
I won’t argue for more than having significant edits be considered for the artist tag, because I know I would only be wasting my time. I only wished to add my thoughts on this part of the discussion.
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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 37

Clopxie

@LemonDrop
That doesn’t make much sense, in any digital art the computer is doing all the generation of the information. The human simply provides input as all these things are tools. For digital art the tool is something like Photoshop and the inputs are a series of tablet motion inputs, for 3D art the tool is Blender and the inputs are bit more complex but similar
That is such a weird argument. That’s like saying that a traditional artist isn’t actually an artist because the pencil does the work and the human only provides it with the inputs. What makes a 3D artist an artist is the fact that they use physical actions to move the mouse/pen to design or sculpt something.
If you make a humanoid robot that recognizes speech, and tell it to draw Mona Lisa, it doesn’t make you an artist. So why would it be any different with a web UI that understands text?
Whether it’s drawing, photoshopping, 3D modeling, or something else, I think getting to the final result by using your own brain and body to give the tools real-time input based on the progress is what makes someone an artist.
If you tell another person to draw something based on your inputs, that person is the artist.
If you put your hand on theirs and you’re the one controlling what goes on the paper, you’re the artist.
And if you let the other person finish the drawing, and then you remove the 7 extra fingers the other person drew, you’re not the artist of that drawing, you just edited art made by someone else.
Now, if you were to redo a significant chunk of the drawing, you could perhaps argue that you are the artist and the other person assisted you by giving you a rough idea to work with. Now that I think about it, I think there might be a tag for the AI version of that?
It is not like these are just totally random outputs without any artistry behind them, even a single word prompt is enough to start guiding something in an artist direction. All these methods involve iterative refinement of ideas to reach some “goal” you have in your mind, they just use different methods of doing so.
Sure, knowing how the prompts work does help, but it’s something you can learn in a day or two by scrolling through some guides and using a tiny bit of imagination when prompting. But you can also get some really good results with prompts that you put absolutely no thought or effort in.
A while ago I tried generating images with nothing but random verses of this song as the prompts. No quality prompts, negatives, poses, anything. Just random lyrics from that song. And it gave me some really good looking results that had next to nothing to do with the prompts.
As a bonus question, if I’m trying to prompt for a very specific image, but the AI interprets it wrong and comes up with something different, but way better than what I had in mind, does it make it make me a good artist for getting good looking results, or a bad artist for not getting the results I wanted?
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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 36

Admin

Administrator
@LemonDrop
This is why everyone here is an artist
Then the term is meaningless and you only want it as a little badge.
As an imageboard, the site uses different things to better classify things. prompter for raw prompting, editor for people that edit prompted works, and artist for people that create a significant amount of the image outside of AI.
Stop being so emotional about the label.
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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 35

Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 114

Adorable Blue Fox

Got any cookies?
I’ve created the import tool and successfully tested it in my development environment. Here’s a preview of a small sample of the data it migrated:
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Features:
  • Comment Importation: Seamlessly imports comments from a CSV file exported from the Derpibooru nightly dump into a PostgreSQL database.
  • Comment Updates: Updates existing comments in the database if they already exist, utilizing a mapped JSON file created during the first run.
  • User Anonymity Handling: Manages user anonymity for users who do not exist in the system.
  • Comment Suffix Details: Adds suffix details to comments based on user existence status.
  • Configurable Import Delay: Processes comments with a configurable delay between each import.
  • Batch Importing: Imports comments in batches, optimizing performance.
  • Callback Features: Includes callback functionality for various columns such as:
    • Match users based on usernames (since IDs differ across sites)
    • link comments to images based on descriptions containing the source URL and ID.
Additionally, if preferred the import user can be anonymous:
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Just need to do some edge casing & checks and I’ll share the code, and it’ll need to be run by someone who has PostgreSQL access.
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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 34

LemonDrop

@Delly
Sorry I thought I was using the definition the world uses:
An artist is a person engaged in an activity related to creating art, practicing the arts, or demonstrating an art
Also there’s already alternatives like Twibooru, and people are already preferring them over this site. If you wanna kill the site though be my guest. I am just trying to give some advice.

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 33

Delly

Administrator
Certified Blueberry
@LemonDrop
Cool.
Create your own platform with your own redefinitions and interpretation of terms. The project this site runs on is FOSS, so noone’s stopping you.
The rules will not be changing here.
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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 32

LemonDrop

@Clopxie
That doesn’t make much sense, in any digital art the computer is doing all the generation of the information. The human simply provides input as all these things are tools. For digital art the tool is something like Photoshop and the inputs are a series of tablet motion inputs, for 3D art the tool is Blender and the inputs are bit more complex but similar, and for AI art the tool is some AI model and the inputs are a series of prompts and etc combined with potentially other digital art methods.
The computer is always the direct “creator” of digital art as far as what entity is actually putting the values into memory, but in terms of creator we mean which human artist was the one driving the process. As I said before, the purpose of an artist tag is to find more similar stuff to such work, the AI model should be listed too to find more art that was created with such a model in a similar fashion, but the creator or artist is referring to the human behind the process as that’s what people are interested in finding more of in that case.
This is why everyone here is an artist fwiw, you are driving a creative process so you are projecting your vision into what the AI is creating just like any other digital art process. It is not like these are just totally random outputs without any artistry behind them, even a single word prompt is enough to start guiding something in an artist direction. All these methods involve iterative refinement of ideas to reach some “goal” you have in your mind, they just use different methods of doing so. Acting like art needs to be “hard” to be valid is just nonsense, the true ideal of art would be to beam people’s thoughts directly into some sharable medium such that people can express themselves creatively without that being “locked” behind a difficult amount of mechanical skill or something that some do not have the time or ability to achieve. AI is just one step in getting closer to that ideal. Of course the most impressive art will always reflect what has the most effort put into it or is the most creatively inspired which is just something that will always vary, but yeah it’s certainly wrong to discount art just because it’s “bad” or because it’s “trivial” to create.

Creative Corner » Post Your AI Art! » Post 29

Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 113

Background Pony #B191
@Adorable Blue Fox
Thank you, adorable blue fox!
I was wondering if I’d have to port some “story in the comments” over manually. So you’re confident you’ll be able to help get the comments imported and posted to the right pages mostly automatically?
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 112

Adusak90

@Annalee
I was mostly just jesting with it (though it is annoying to someone who really likes to add random tags) as I know it was put in place as a preventive measure and it’s better safe than sorry with vandals. I know that since I used to battle with them on wikis back in the day.
I was just caught off guard since I don’t recall something like this being on Derpi back when I had energy, motivation and time to add “[species] oc” tags every day.
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Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 38

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 37

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 36

LightningBolt

Moderator
ADHD fueled
@Zerowinger
Done.
@Background Pony #4F98
And done, except the OCs that imply it, because I don’t want to look up each individual tag as I am unsure which ones are here or not, and I know I can look at Derpi for what it has, but what do we have?
Linking things directly helps save a lot of time and effort.
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Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 35

Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 111

Adorable Blue Fox

Got any cookies?
@Admin
I can collect all the ai content image comments; I have the script ready.
There are an estimated 29,381 images in total, with at least one comment on the first 317 pages (50 images per page) sorted on comment count.
I will collect the images with a 5 second delay between each request to avoid rate-limiting and server performance issues.
So, it’ll take approximately 23 hours to process all the images with comments.
For now, I will store the collected comments until Philomena’s development allows for importing comments. When that capability is available, we can decide whether to assign all comments to anonymous users, considering that most users who initially made the comments won’t exist on this site.
I have my dev environment for Philomena, so I’ll likely work on a solution for this. No promises at this stage, though.
Let me know whether to proceed or if you need any details from me.
EDIT:
I just looked at the nightly dump and found that the comments are part of it. Technically, the script to save all the comments via API is useless, and I can do it locally.
The only difference between the API and the dump is the saving of the user profile picture at that time, but if the comments are going to be posted anonymously or something else entirely, then it wouldn’t matter.
EDIT 2:
All the comments are now exported, and there are a total of 50,548 comments on images with the tag ai content and 42,435 comments on ai generated. I will have to export again before January 6, 2025, to get the most updated information.

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 34

Background Pony #4F98
@LightningBolt
Well on derpi its
Aliases: equestria at war, eaw
Implied by
oc:river swirl, oc:starry night (eaw), oc:rosa maledicta, oc:grover vi, oc:ferdinand dawnclaw, oc:alexander kemerskai, oc:giulio beakolini, oc:archon eros vii, oc:gabriela eagleclaw, oc:wingfried von katerinburg, oc:auburn leaf, oc:lucent eclipse, oc:caramel marks, equestria rises still (equestria at war submod)
Detailed description:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1826643372
And it should have same color like “them’s fightin’ herds” tag aka pink
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 110

Admin

Administrator
Unfortunate news; due to a major project ongoing for philo and limited dev resources, it’s looking fairly unlikely there will be any official porting of comments.
Someone wanting to have a crack at it should poke us first to avoid any sudden rate limits or potential bugs (comment reading is available through current API, posting however is not).
Sorry
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 109

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 31

Clopxie

Personally I feel like “prompter” is the most fitting description. I definitely wouldn’t consider myself an artist, even though I often do some editing on my pics. Like removing extra fingers and adding missing ones, or removing extra legs wings or other issues like that. At least for me, that amount of drawing and editing isn’t enough to qualify myself as an artist.
Even “creator” sounds a bit odd to me, as I’m telling the computer to create something instead of creating it myself.
If I give the computer prompts and it does the work, I’m a prompter. If I were to draw a pony and generate the background, I’d consider myself an artist who creates AI assisted art, so I’d be happy with being called either an artist or a creator.
So at least in my mind the current tags make perfect sense and there’s no reason to start messing with them.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 108

BigBuggyBastage

Go fsck yourself
@Annalee
Seems like the easy solution would be to maintain the tagging limit on anonymous/BgP users, and substantially increase it for registered users (or at least those who’ve been around for a while).
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 107

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 33

Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 106

Annalee

Moderator
Adjutant
@WestRail642fan
There is both a dark and a red theme - I assume you’ve already tried those and they weren’t what you wanted. When you say ‘proper’ are you talking about a theme on another site that we could look at to get a better idea what you mean?
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