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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 32

@Clopxie
That doesn’t make much sense, in any digital art the computer is doing all the generation of the information. The human simply provides input as all these things are tools. For digital art the tool is something like Photoshop and the inputs are a series of tablet motion inputs, for 3D art the tool is Blender and the inputs are bit more complex but similar, and for AI art the tool is some AI model and the inputs are a series of prompts and etc combined with potentially other digital art methods.
The computer is always the direct “creator” of digital art as far as what entity is actually putting the values into memory, but in terms of creator we mean which human artist was the one driving the process. As I said before, the purpose of an artist tag is to find more similar stuff to such work, the AI model should be listed too to find more art that was created with such a model in a similar fashion, but the creator or artist is referring to the human behind the process as that’s what people are interested in finding more of in that case.
This is why everyone here is an artist fwiw, you are driving a creative process so you are projecting your vision into what the AI is creating just like any other digital art process. It is not like these are just totally random outputs without any artistry behind them, even a single word prompt is enough to start guiding something in an artist direction. All these methods involve iterative refinement of ideas to reach some “goal” you have in your mind, they just use different methods of doing so. Acting like art needs to be “hard” to be valid is just nonsense, the true ideal of art would be to beam people’s thoughts directly into some sharable medium such that people can express themselves creatively without that being “locked” behind a difficult amount of mechanical skill or something that some do not have the time or ability to achieve. AI is just one step in getting closer to that ideal. Of course the most impressive art will always reflect what has the most effort put into it or is the most creatively inspired which is just something that will always vary, but yeah it’s certainly wrong to discount art just because it’s “bad” or because it’s “trivial” to create.

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 38

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 37

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 36

LightningBolt

Administrator
ADHD fueled
@Background Pony #4F98
And done, except the OCs that imply it, because I don’t want to look up each individual tag as I am unsure which ones are here or not, and I know I can look at Derpi for what it has, but what do we have?
Linking things directly helps save a lot of time and effort.

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Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 34

Background Pony #4F98
@LightningBolt
Well on derpi its
Aliases: equestria at war, eaw
Implied by
oc:river swirl, oc:starry night (eaw), oc:rosa maledicta, oc:grover vi, oc:ferdinand dawnclaw, oc:alexander kemerskai, oc:giulio beakolini, oc:archon eros vii, oc:gabriela eagleclaw, oc:wingfried von katerinburg, oc:auburn leaf, oc:lucent eclipse, oc:caramel marks, equestria rises still (equestria at war submod)
And it should have same color like “them’s fightin’ herds” tag aka pink

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 31

Personally I feel like “prompter” is the most fitting description. I definitely wouldn’t consider myself an artist, even though I often do some editing on my pics. Like removing extra fingers and adding missing ones, or removing extra legs wings or other issues like that. At least for me, that amount of drawing and editing isn’t enough to qualify myself as an artist.
Even “creator” sounds a bit odd to me, as I’m telling the computer to create something instead of creating it myself.
If I give the computer prompts and it does the work, I’m a prompter. If I were to draw a pony and generate the background, I’d consider myself an artist who creates AI assisted art, so I’d be happy with being called either an artist or a creator.
So at least in my mind the current tags make perfect sense and there’s no reason to start messing with them.

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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 30

Nocturn

Moderator
Adjutant
@SpikeyTum
Thank you for finding that! There’s so many little details in philomena that are baked into the code. Maybe because the idea that ‘other sites will have authors instead of artists’ is just so different than what it was originally created to do that making it ‘a thing that you decide and configure once’ seemed like a waste of work.
So, thanks to all of you for putting up the ‘still moving in’ gotchas here, and for letting us know when you find something weird or wrong.

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 32

Adorable Blue Fox

Got any cookies?
IDK if this is useful or makes anything more manageable, but I’ve compiled a list of tags with missing details, such as the spoiler image, implies and the category.
I’ve also got a list of tags that also check for the descriptions and aliases.
The list is extensive, so it is sorted based on the derpibooru’s tag image count.

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 31

Tagging Discussion » derpibooru exclusive should be aliased » Post 2

Background Pony #F790
Derpibooru exclusive is for art uploaded solely to Derpibooru by its original creator. Images on Tantabus originally on Derpi were automatically imported and can’t be considered the prompter/artist’s official upload. Also, images here originally on Derpibooru will remain there as well until January 6, invalidating images that were imported by their creator.

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 30

Background Pony #4F98
Same as “equestria at war mod” dont have it short names and pink color

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 29

Background Pony #4F98
All (or well most of not sure about all) “Stupid sexy X” missing “X” character

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Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 27

Zerowinger

3-3/4" Army Man Fan
https://tantabus.ai/tags/alicornified
Should imply “alicorn” and “race swap.”
https://tantabus.ai/tags/starlicorn
Should imply “starlight glimmer” and “alicornified” and its associated tags.
https://tantabus.ai/tags/trixiecorn
Should imply “trixie” and “alicornified” and its associated tags.
https://tantabus.ai/tags/shimmercorn
Should imply “sunset shimmer” and “alicornified” and its associated tags.

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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 28

Admin

Administrator
Surely you know some people use inpainting or edit a photo manually in Photoshop.
Which is why the editor tag will be set to work with ai composition, at least for starters (and we may just move to artist in the long run).
I feel like you haven’t even bothered looking into how this is being handled here, or on derpi, and just want to complain. And yap.

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 27

@Admin
So what about all the AI art that is more than just entering a prompt? Surely you know some people use inpainting or edit a photo manually in Photoshop. The only term which encapsulates what people are doing is artist, prompting is merely describing part of the toolchain. It’d be like calling all digital artists “Photoshop interactors” or “tablet scribblers” as that’s a more literal descriptor of what actions they are doing, but it fails to encapsulate why exactly they are using those tools (to create art), and is of course needlessly specific to the point of not being a consistent thing to tag stuff with. Info like what sort of prompt, model and other tools one uses and etc is just information you’d put in the description in this case. Being needlessly reductionist like that is just understandably insulting to people trying to practice an artform lol.

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 26

Admin

Administrator
I wouldn’t say that means I don’t deserve a tag
There’s nothing stopping you here (or there) from having an associated tag.
This is why everyone is an artist
Which makes the term meaningless, so why vie for having the tag called “artist” and not something more descriptive (ie. useful) of what the person actually did to create something?
If everyone is an artist for everything they create, then the term has no meaning at all. But this is an imageboard, a place where people fastidiously try to categorize things.
And for such purposes, there’s a distinction made between prompter (someone that enters a prompt and some settings into a generator to get an image), editor (someone that edits already existing work in minor ways), and artist (someone that creates something wholly new). Derpi also has photographer, which likely won’t apply here, and if either place hosted fics there’d also be a writer tag.
Wanting so much to be labelled “artist” comes off as either some sort of extreme pedantry about the term, or revanchism over twitter etc. having been so hostile against generative AI.

Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 25

@Admin
Well it sounds like you’re just trying to control what art can be. Bananas taped to walls are art and blaming contemporary artists and society in general for thinking so is not gonna work. It doesn’t mean you have to appreciate those types of art but I don’t see why you think other people cannot. You have some vision of what you want all art to to be like but it’s not going to align with everyone else’s and that’s probably not a good mindset for running an art site.
“Artist” is not a descriptor of status, rather one describing an activity. This is why everyone is an artist at some point essentially as everyone will perform this activity to some extent through their life to creatively express themselves. Most people will not claim to be an artist when talking about their career/hobby or whatever though because generally in that context you’re choosing which activity you practice the most or have the most skill in (even if you’ve say dabbled in art just like everyone else has). Tags are purely describing what is going on with a given work, not what someone’s occupation is, so person who created the art is an artist and it’s not trying to claim that’s their main career path. Simple as that.
I for instance have created some art pieces on Derpi as well as some photography as I do both things occasionally with my time, but I would not describe my main choice of hobby as either of those and only mention it if I was making a list to rank which ones I practice from most to least. I wouldn’t say that means I don’t deserve a tag though so people can’t find the things I’ve done as again it’s not an indicator of skill level or mastery, just a grouping of common things based on creator.

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Tagging Discussion » "prompter:" should change to "artist:" » Post 24

Nocturn

Moderator
Adjutant
I’m honestly all for sticking with ‘creator’ when we’re assigning a title in a tag—like we already do in User Links. And keeping ‘artist’ just for how it’s used in Takedowns and Rules. Maybe it’s selfish, but it lowkey makes things way easier when handling image reports. That way, when someone says ‘artist,’ I know it’s about Rule #1 and not something I actually want to do, like helping someone set up their tag here.
I honestly don’t care what people call themselves, as long as when someone says ‘artist,’ it’s clear they’re talking about what that means in Rule #1.
My one caveat would be if the site ever decides to extend copyright protections to some AI art—like how Derpi uses ai assisted or their new ai composition tag. Still waiting to see how that all shakes out with ‘artist’ tags. Maybe things will be clearer by January.
It feels like a distraction right now. I’d rather not deal with it and just hope we don’t end up with a tag that’s baked into the rules that gives it a meaning, or accidentally makes people think they have rights they don’t actually have, that we will have to deal with later.
@Admin
I trust you to find the right balance, and make it make sense.
I’m gonna ghost this thread now since this isn’t my bikeshed, and I’ve talked about it enough. As long as the rules and tags are in sync, it’s all good.

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