Thank you for the update. Here’s what I think of the new rules:
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- “Style copying” only affects when the style is mimicked perfectly, so much so that an average person would confuse the image with being an original from the artist. This is to prevent impersonation or affecting an artist’s reputation (for example, people pretending they’re the artist to take commissions as them, or creating images of a controversial nature to create fake drama).
This is a good way to approach this. It reminds me when almost everyone using Stable Diffusion would type “Greg Rutkowski” in the prompt. Not because they were trying to impersonate him or even “steal” his style, bus simply because his paintings tend to focus on medieval fantasy themes and have a “painterly” aesthetic, so using his name in the prompt would enhance AI images aiming for those kinds of things. But the results still didn’t look anything like a real Greg Rutkowski paining, nor was it what those AI users were trying to do.
Some artists tend to focus on certain themes and styles, and as a result prompts and LoRAs targeting those types of content will inevitably draw more heavily from one or two of these artists without the outputs necessarly matching said artist’s unique style.
I am fairly sure that many AI images on Derpibooru may have used some of those “forbidden LoRAs” and got away with it by covering their tracks and scrubbing any metadata that would have them banned, and those images stayed up because nobody noticed or cared since they didn’t appear deceitful and their uploader never pretended to be someone else.
This new version of the rule encourages people to be more honest and transparent about their processes while focusing enforcement on the bad actors, which is something I am all for.
- Reminder that tagging is important; if you can prompt, then you can tag.
This touches on the same point. Models like ponyDiffusion and NovelAI heavily rely on tagging for their prompts, so people using them should already have most of the tags by the time they upload.
In the longer term it would be better to have a way to integrate prompts, model(s) used and LoRAs directly alongside the image and tags, maybe even with download links to the relevant tools. From my experience with the wider AI community, the sharing aspect that encourages the viewer to get involved and experiment with the tools themselves is very prevalent, so Tantabus should adapt its feature set to the unique aspects of AI similar to how Derpibooru provides features that cater to human artists’ needs.
Obviously, this would require quite a bit of development, so I understand if it is not in this website’s short-term roadmap, but this is definitely worth considering.
Until then at least, the tagging standards should be strong enough to act as a working substitute.
- Non-AI images can be uploaded, but these should have some relation to AI (tutorials, sketches, speedpaints, etc.)
Good. This can be important if we want Tantabus to feel more like a community intead of just being a contextless image dump.
- Quality checks simplified significantly
- Initial rules and quality checklist was based off derpi’s requirements for AI Composition
- These do not apply here; generations are allowed to have faults so long as they’re not just “trash”
- Multiple examples removed, language made clearer to new intent, “acceptable” examples removed to avoid clutter
- Simple rule of thumb: If it looks like a 2022-2023 Craiyon image from the thumbnail, it’s probably going to get deleted
This is the part I was concerned the most about. In their initial draft, the rules seemed too limiting. I can understand why they were like that on Derpibooru with non-AI artists uploading more slowly and risking being drowned-out by even moderately competent AI users. But here, since this is going to be more of a niche-specific booru, it didn’t make as much sense and only risked driving away interested creators (not to mention that the rules being so strict were likely one of the reasons why the derpi team got overwhelmed moderating AI content alongside all the other stuff going on).
I am glad that the updated rules give more room for different skill levels of AI content while stil addressing the zero-effort slop.
I am also glad that “ai generated” and “ai composition” got their own distinct guidelines to help better understand what these tags are expected to mean, as well as examples to help novice users know how to improve their generations.
While “ai composition” is still allowed on Derpibooru (for now), we should really encourage people to post them here as they tend to have some of the most interesting uses for AI and Tantabus would really benefit from their presence, both to raise the overall quality of the website and to encourage members to expand their artistic skills to other tools alongside AI.
This site is still a WiP, and we appreciate any feedback you have.
I’ll be honest, when the announcement was first made, I was really worried. The way the policy update was just dropped on us with poor communication and handled terribly by the Derpibooru admins (handing out month-long bans to anyone voicing reservations while letting others flood the announcement thread with messages like “Yeah! good riddance AI “”“art””” bros be gone!”) made me convinced that this website was just gonna be a quarantined ghetto with no effort put into managing it just to keep AI content away while they ban it from derpi, only to abandon it when it dies from the unmanaged flood of slop.
It’s refreshing to see the staff here having more open communications and discussions about AI content and policies compared to how it was on Derpibooru.
Now, I hope we can make the most of this opportunity.
Only two things I am still worried about:
- Older images losing their comments. There are plenty of valuable contents in there in there, in the form of both discussions/stories related to the images themselves and conversations about AI technologies and evolutions being visible in said images. If these images are to be deleted from Derpibooru, I really, REALLY insist that their comments ought to be preserved in some way.
- Funding. I know you said this would be taken care of, but I would like to know more about how the money side of things is expected to be managed (is it grouped with Derpibooru/Furbooru or independent? What do the projected numbers look like?).
